Part of a series of posters I want to put up around my school protesting the existence of the "Gay-Straight" Alliance at my school using actual heroes. My hero, Mahatma Gandhi, was suprisingly "conservative".
Yes, Ghandi was a bigot in that sense. He was only human, and is allowed to make these sorts of mistakes. Given the environment he was raised in (India has never been really gay-friendly...) it's not surprising.
Consider the message you send by allowing this poster to be displayed. "You're a disgusting person who is holding the rest of humanity back." How would you feel if this was the final straw that caused a gay person to commit suicide? Could you handle their blood on your hands?
Help humanity progress. End bigotry, intolerance, and hatred.
Hey Roshi well let me start of by saying I love Gandhi too for the most part..can't say I agree with this in anyway other than well Gandhi was a bigot in this instance but just because he condemned homosexuality doesn't mean anything even if he was a great spiritual person that doesn't mean he can't be wrong about what he said up there.
And how is stopping a GSA helping humanity progress? You could be killing people in your school by doing that. Seems counter-progressive.
"The fact that sex has a purpose, and gay sex does not work towards that end. It's evil."
Ok yes sex has a purpose to reproduce so following what you said Old people sex - the ones who are waaay to old to have kids is evil. So is sex between infertile couples.
Also I think it might be a stretch to assume you read the bible so there's an article I recently read that helped me deal with my faith and sexuality.
Gay-Straight alliances are a place for people of a sexuality against the norm to get support and advice without having to worry about being victimized.
There are those who, without access to these places, have committed suicide due to all the bullying, fear, and pain they felt, due to people's lack of acceptance. GSAs are to help people to not feel so alone and isolated.
I am hurt that you would want to put an end to that, and hurt so many people. The idea of it brings tears to my eyes.
Actually yes Gandhi was a bigot, likely on a very many things. He hated Africans with a passion, and spent much of his time in South Africa, where he first gained notoriety, fighting to distinguish the Indian population and the natives. He wrote several about how disgusting he found the Africans to be and how clearly superior the Indians were. He also encouraged his fellow Indians to support the British war against the Zulu people in order to help his own cause. Of course this was almost a hundred years ago, when things like racism were common throughout most of the world.
I assume you know all this though since Gandhi is your hero and all.
There's a massive difference between the South African Gandhi and the Gandhi I admire and respect. For example, Malcolm X was a violent bigot for basically all of his public life, but, after the Hajj, he became a messenger of peace and brotherhood. Had he not been killed, his message probably would have done great things. Gandhi was able to do great things after his transformation, and, no one can seriously look at Gandhi during the last 40 years of his life and call him a bigot. It would be sheer idiocy to do so.
Towards the end of his life, he held an audience with African Americans. I don't remember the exact quotes, but it was basically something along the lines of, "You're just as good as everyone else, take crap from no one."
You got a source for that? Because even in Ghandi Biography he defended his military service, where he put down African rebellions. He also compared Africans to the Untouchables, the lowest caste in Hinduism, which means he would almost certainly never tell them to rise up. Unless you're arguing he gave up on Hinduism.
None of this changes the original point which is yes Ghandi was bigotted against gays, but that was because 60 years ago when he was still alive such Bigotry was commonly accepted. Just like racism was commonly accepted.
Yes. "The essential Gandhi" compiled by Louis Fiscer.
Again, as a Gandhian, its blatant that you know nothing about Gandhi. I could give you some links regarding his heroic assault on untouchability and the reform of Hinduism that he instigated, if you'd like.
No, Gandhi wasn't bigoted against gays anymore than he was bigoted against the British. He loved them, but he despised their actions as immoral.
Because you said this: "It's not a lifestyle. It's misuse of God's gift of sexuality to us. People are trying to make this fetish into an acceptable, tolerable alternative for society. In all humilty, I say; Fuck them. God's Law must permeate every area of our lives, and it is our duty to spread that law."
A bigot is, by definition, a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.
And since you have this massive hate of gays that makes want to protest a perfectly peaceful group, then yes. It seems it.
Well, the whole process takes time. Nothing so far has really merited any vocal, public condemnation on the scale that I had originally planned. They were ultimately a non-factor last year and the ones that wanted to be were nudged into silence. This year I'm starting a philosophical society and I hear the resident "liberals" are going to try and get the Gay-Straight Alliance going again. Knowing that probably more than half of my philosophical society will join, I'm faced with some problems. But, God's will is always done. I'm not worried...
Hur~ You know, I support your efforts of protest, but I just wanted to say that,
I'm gay, Religious, conservative, and boy, I hate gay pride.
My feelings towards men are in fact wrong, and I am ashamed with the way I am, and It's taken me years to accept it. I can't change the fact a vagina makes me vomit, (I wish I could, I honestly do.) and urges take control, I feel like I've let people and my religion down. (However, I did love God before I loved any mortal man)
I mean, a man and a woman SHOULD be together, doesn't anatomy and child birth further that point, if not PROVE it ? I mean, is it not our goal to procreate when having sex ?
Another thing that bothers me about GSA, and gay rights is,
If you wave a flag, or make up slogans praising your sexuality, or show how PROUD you are of being heterosexual, you're an 'asshole' or a 'bigot' to a lot of people, correct ?
But if you wave a flag, or make up slogans praising your sexuality, or show how PROUD you are of being HOMOsexual, you're a brave soul and someone who should be admired. Heaven forbid you show some negative feelings on that kind of pride, then you're a bigot.
In my opinion, that seems a little off, and dare I say, stupid ?
Anywho, enough of my ranting, I hate gay pride, simple as that, and I don't understand what shoving homosexuality down the throats of others will accomplish.
AND TO ADD MORE, I really liked your comment above, "I don't hate anybody. I hate their actions. I love Hitler, but I despise the horrors he perpetrated upon humanity. Same with gays." Glad to see somebody on DeviantART shares (some) of the same values/opinions I do.
That aside, I see the date, how did this protest work out ?
It went fine. They stopped, and the group eventually died. The conservatives made it known that they wouldn't tolerate it, but they made it equally clear they would not give into hate. It was a victory for nonviolence and Truth.
"First of all, gays don't love eachother. Their affections are basically overblown fetishes."
I don't know where you get the idea that you can tell any couple that they don't really love each other. It's as if I were to say "you straights don't really love each other. You basically just have an animalistic drive to breed". By the way, your choice of the term "gay crusade" is ironic, considering the actual crusades were crimes commited by christians like yourself.
Erm, if man and woman are made for each other, why are folks these days getting divorced left and right? I don't think there was ever a point in my lifetime where my cousin and his wife (now ex-wife) loved each other. In nearly seventeen years, I only saw them fight and argue, causing their three children a lot of grief. Our whole family was hurt because of their so-called 'love'. On the other hand, I've never seen a stronger bond between anyone than that of my friend's brother and his boyfriend. My point is, that same-sex couples can have just as successful a relationship as heterosexual couples. This is coming from a straight girl from a Catholic family, but I don't think it's fair of you to say that gay couples don't really love each other.
I have heard of both the racist and gay biggotry of Ghandi... however i would feel that these both may come from out of context quotes. Where did it come from? and what is the missing piece denoted by '...' between homosexuality and unnatural?
Could you really believe that stopping a gay-straight alliance would help humanity progress? What is meant by progress?
I believe it came from a piece he authored in "Young India" sometime in 1929. He was addressing, apparently, the issue of homosexuality in boarding schools. I got this quote from some website, I forget which. But his condemnation of it certainly falls into place with his other beliefs on human sexuality.
And yes, I do believe that stopping the gay-straight alliance will help progress. The sooner society abandons the idea of un-restrained sexual liberty, the better.
God made gays to love eachother and not have children together. Its a form of population controll of love rather than death. Just incase someday we cant feed everyone, there wont be quite so many mouths to feed.
I think its a natural part of all mammals to have a gay population to curb their growth. So they dont outgrow their food supply.
The bible I read never mentioned anything about gays. Just adultry, which has been made far too general a term.
I'm sorry if I came off as a bigot, I was angry when I posted that response. The fact of the matter is, though, that saying that it is good to have gays in humanity to control the population is a weak argument, because it's really not true. I'm sure you can do far better than that. I love Johnny Cash too, if that helps over come the present animosity.
Well regardless of reason, I realy dont think its a choice to be gay. Gays are usualy bullied especialy hard in schools if they are openly gay. And even if your not gay people throw the word around and point fingers at eachother. I've seen gays picked on lots of times myself just for being gay. And your kind of coming off as one of the bullies to me, though I may be wrong.
But who would chose that sort of lifestyle?
But then again, I never cared much for sex. I guess there's something sexual people can see that I dont.
Yes, Gandhi was a bigot and not just against gays. He was known to have a strong hate against black Africans while he was living in South Africa. While he fought for the rights of Indians, he considered the native blacks to be barbaric, and thought of Indians as a superior race, much in the same way Hitler thought about Germans.